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Ringach ceasing primate research due to threats
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From: semiconsciously Date: August 23rd, 2006 01:38 am (UTC) (Link)
It's not like they can test receptive fields... using computer programs

fleaplus From: fleaplus Date: August 23rd, 2006 01:50 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm sure you already know this, but it's probably worth mentioning that programs like that are based on data collected by folks like Ringach. In fact, a couple of Ringach's papers are listed in the reference list for the software:


Ringach DL, Hawken MJ, Shapley R (2002) Receptive field struture of neurons in monkey primary visual cortex revealed by stimulation with natural image sequences, J. Vision 2:12-24.

Ringach, D. L., Sapiro, G. & Shapley, R. (1997) "A subspace reverse-correlation technique for the study of visual neurons," Vision Res 37, 2455-64.
psychelle From: psychelle Date: August 23rd, 2006 02:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Without animal research and the knowledged gained, they wouldn't even know what to set up the simulation for. Ok, maybe receptive field research is on it's way into artificial intellegence, but there are so many other fields of research that still depend on animals. The fact that one researcher gave in means that so many others are vulnerable.
From: semiconsciously Date: August 23rd, 2006 04:42 am (UTC) (Link)
Yep yep. Of course.
I'm torn about this kind of thing. I like the idea of vegetarianism, and try to not eat meat in general, though I still eat a fair amount (not as much as I used to).

Are we evolved to eat meat? Yes.

Have we advanced technologically to a point where we don't need to? Yes.

So why not do what we can and minimize the amount of suffering we can? Are plants alive? Yes. Are they as sentient as animals? Probably not. So eat fewer animals and minimize suffering.

The same goes for animal research. The animal research has taught us a lot. We're getting closer to a day when we can model the animal system well enough we don't need to do animal research.

Eventually, science will be able to minimize this kind of suffering, too.
psychelle From: psychelle Date: August 23rd, 2006 05:08 am (UTC) (Link)
I hope so.
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