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Ringach ceasing primate research due to threats
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psychelle From: psychelle Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't get it. What do they think experimenters will be able to use to understand the brain if not animals? It's not like they can test receptive fields on plants or using computer programs. Stupid, they are just stupid.
kotovski From: kotovski Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
well, they sure are dumb -- they almost blew up the guy's neighbour by mistake.
tebing From: tebing Date: August 22nd, 2006 10:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think these people particularly care if experimenters are able to continue doing brain research or not. All they care about are rescuing the lab animals from their supposed torture. Some of the really extreme eco-terrorist groups even want to bring about the extinction of the entire human race, or at the very least a ~90-99% reduction in population.
psychelle From: psychelle Date: August 23rd, 2006 12:47 am (UTC) (Link)
They don't care until their mom gets Alzheimer's and then it's all about brain research not doing enough!
From: semiconsciously Date: August 23rd, 2006 04:38 am (UTC) (Link)
Psychelle for the win!
lars_larsen From: lars_larsen Date: August 23rd, 2006 12:39 am (UTC) (Link)
These people are so stupid, they insist that ALL medical research can be done without ANY animals of any kind, and the whole thing is some kind of capitalist scam to make more money by "torturing" animals. I guess selling mice is big business.

From: semiconsciously Date: August 23rd, 2006 01:38 am (UTC) (Link)
It's not like they can test receptive fields... using computer programs

Uhhh....
fleaplus From: fleaplus Date: August 23rd, 2006 01:50 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm sure you already know this, but it's probably worth mentioning that programs like that are based on data collected by folks like Ringach. In fact, a couple of Ringach's papers are listed in the reference list for the software:

http://tara10.berkeley.edu/ref.html

Ringach DL, Hawken MJ, Shapley R (2002) Receptive field struture of neurons in monkey primary visual cortex revealed by stimulation with natural image sequences, J. Vision 2:12-24.

Ringach, D. L., Sapiro, G. & Shapley, R. (1997) "A subspace reverse-correlation technique for the study of visual neurons," Vision Res 37, 2455-64.
psychelle From: psychelle Date: August 23rd, 2006 02:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Without animal research and the knowledged gained, they wouldn't even know what to set up the simulation for. Ok, maybe receptive field research is on it's way into artificial intellegence, but there are so many other fields of research that still depend on animals. The fact that one researcher gave in means that so many others are vulnerable.
From: semiconsciously Date: August 23rd, 2006 04:42 am (UTC) (Link)
Yep yep. Of course.
I'm torn about this kind of thing. I like the idea of vegetarianism, and try to not eat meat in general, though I still eat a fair amount (not as much as I used to).

Are we evolved to eat meat? Yes.

Have we advanced technologically to a point where we don't need to? Yes.

So why not do what we can and minimize the amount of suffering we can? Are plants alive? Yes. Are they as sentient as animals? Probably not. So eat fewer animals and minimize suffering.

The same goes for animal research. The animal research has taught us a lot. We're getting closer to a day when we can model the animal system well enough we don't need to do animal research.

Eventually, science will be able to minimize this kind of suffering, too.
psychelle From: psychelle Date: August 23rd, 2006 05:08 am (UTC) (Link)
I hope so.
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